Episode 9: Dare to Challenge
Dare to Collaborate
Welcome to the Dare to Facilitate podcast, hosted by Jenny Theolin.
In this inspiring conversation, Jenny sits down with Jamie Klingler and Lauren Currie, two formidable women who are challenging the status quo and empowering voices around the world.
Jamie and Lauren share their personal journeys of activism and leadership. Jamie, known for her relentless fight for safety and justice, discusses her efforts in police reform and women’s safety, while Lauren, on a mission to empower 10 million women, talks about building confidence and systemic change.
The episode delves into the importance of self-care and personal challenges in sustaining the energy needed to tackle big societal issues. Both Jamie and Lauren offer valuable insights for aspiring change-makers, emphasising that significant impact can begin at a local level and grow into a broader movement.
Join us as we explore how facilitation and leadership can drive positive change, and be inspired to find your own fire in the belly to dare to challenge and make a difference.
As an introduction, Jenny wrote a short Spoken Word as a personal challenge:
Jamie and Lauren,
two names, two forces.
One fights for safety,
one fights for voices.
Jamie, I see you,
taking on the streets,
where silence is loud,
but you don’t retreat.
You first challenged yourself,
then took on the fight,
reclaiming, resisting,
and making wrongs right.
You broke the system,
took the police to court –
now they can’t dismiss them.
You started with a cause,
but became a fire,
pushing limits, sparking change,
and lifting others higher.
And Lauren — relentless, bold,
building confidence from scratch,
with a mission to empower 10 million women,
you’ve struck that match.
You teach them to stand tall,
to own their light,
to show up and lead,
not shrink from the fight.
From UPFRONT to the stage,
you’ve paved the way,
for women to rise,
and claim their day.
Two women, side by side,
not waiting for the world to change,
but daring to challenge,
to push, to rearrange.
They don’t just ask questions,
they rewrite the script,
shifting power,
with every step that’s flipped.
And here we are,
watching the world bend,
as they push the line,
again and again.
Resources:
From Lauren:
💻 UPFRONT Website – https://www.weareupfront.com/bond-9
📚 The Artist's Way by Julia Cameron – Mentioned by Lauren as a source of inspiration, particularly the concept of "believing mirrors."
📚 Five Rules for Rebellion by Sophie Walker – Mentioned by Lauren as a guide for how to start getting involved with a cause.
From Jamie:
💻 Tomorrow Group website – https://tomorrowgroup.co/
💻 Jamie's personal website – www.jamieklingler.com
📚 Works by George Saunders – Jamie references George Saunders as a personal inspiration, comparing him to Mr. Rogers for his kind and thoughtful approach to life.
